Subject: *Looks at his faces imprint in the desk* Yeah, no comment... (nm
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Posted on: 2008-08-21 17:24:00 UTC
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Question/Potential Claim by
on 2008-08-20 07:28:00 UTC
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Has any of David Gonterman's work been done by the PPC before? Nothing shows up on the Wiki search for the name "Gonterman". Anyway, if his stories haven't been done before (would really, really surprise me... the man is "legendary"), I'd like to claim the "Davey Crockett" trilogy of Power Rangers/Sonic the Hedgehog/Sailor Moon/everything under the sun crossover for a story. I tried to find something about the due process of writing for this website, but there didn't seem to be any easily accessible page. Any input would be appreciated.
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for clarification by
on 2008-08-20 09:32:00 UTC
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1) David Gonterman is a badfic author? 'cause the way your question was frased I first thought he was a canon author and I've never heard the name. Which probably means that he is not that legendary. But as a badficcer he could be legendary in his fandom. or fandoms as seems to be the case.
2) So you would like to be a PPC author? This wikipage might be informative: http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Permission -
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on 2008-08-20 16:27:00 UTC
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He's more infamous for his original comics (which borrow so heavily from everything else that they may as well just be fanfiction), but he started out by writing fanfiction. Since this was circa 1995-1997 or so and he has since abandoned fanfiction, it's not too hard to see why he'd become a bit obscure (in fact, it's more likely that everybody who reads these stories today do so because they found him through one of his great many webcomics). Anyway, his stories have a certain... je-ne-sais-quoi to them. They're highly disjointed, poorly structured, have no respect whatsoever for any canon they draw from, tenuous continuity, and everything pretty much revolves around his blatant self-insert author avatar of David "Davey Crockett" Kintobor. Grim sights, to be sure. Anyway, "The Piasa Bird" can be found at the first link (which has oh-so-subtle folder directories), with "Blood and Metal" and "Sailor Moon: American Kitsune" at the second link:
http://www.tuxedojack.com/godawful/nauseating/gonterman/gonterman-Piasa.txt
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I feel a disturbance in the hyperlink... by
on 2008-08-21 12:01:00 UTC
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Like a million souls just cried out in agony, and were suddenly silence.
From what you've said, I'm afraid to click the links. We warn people about Legendary Badfic, is this its comic book equivelant? -
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on 2008-08-21 16:43:00 UTC
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It's regular text. Anyway, it is legendary, but not really as offensive as most entries on that sordid list. It's more offensive for its hateful themes than for openly disgusting content. I'll write out the fair warnings for the really offensive parts in PG-rated descriptions:
1) There's a racist undertone throughout all three of them against African Americans. The basis for the plot is that David "Davey Crockett" Kintobor lost his arm in a racial riot. It generally portrays African Americans as mindless monsters compared to the Mighty Whitey of Davey. At least it's mercifully limited to backstory after The Piasa Bird.
2) More offensive are the homophobic overtones in the last few chapters of Sailor Moon: American Kitsune. Every single offensive slur directed against homosexuals that one can think of gets used as Davey kills an openly homosexual Sailor Moon villain in graphic detail. Afterwards, Davey gives a speech on the evils of homosexuality and how it ruined his live to be unfairly associated with it in high school. The Sailor Senshi than weep after it, completely agreeing with the incredibly hateful viewpoints. This chapter pretty much banished Gonterman from the online Sailor Moon community forever. Mentioning him on a Sailor Moon forum is -still- guaranteed to send the community up in arms even after 12 years. That's how offensive it was.
3) As if racism and homophobia wasn't bad enough, there's also a certain amount of sexism. His portrayal of the Sailor Senshi is as a completely incompetent pack of fawning fangirls that fight each other for a chance to claim Davey as their own (yeah, certainly no wish fulfillment going on here...).
4) And as a hat trick to all this, Gonterman also rewrote Usagi/Serena's backstory just to make her Davey's sister. By itself, it wouldn't be that bad (it's not like there's any shortage of noncanon siblings to canon characters out there), but Gonterman gave her the most truly demeaning origin possible (I won't describe it because the simple description of it probably count as NC-17 rated for making one want to bash their head against a concrete wall). As if just trying to go further, it both turns their earlier relationship into incest (actually... the implied sex scene is also really disturbing as well) but they still decide to tentatively go forward with the relationship anyway. And it's not even like Gonterman just forgot about the plot detail like he's prone to doing. No, he calls attention to it each time they indulge in flirting with each other (at least there isn't any more implied sex) and gives Usagi the attitude that Davey is just too good a catch to give up even if it turns out that they're siblings. I can't make stuff like this up even if I tried.
Actually... scratch my earlier statement about it not being so offensive. It's not safe for sanity whatsoever. What makes it extra creepy is that this is blatant wish fulfillment for Gonterman (he didn't even bother to come up with a terribly creative cipher for his self-insert), but his wishes include the gory death of homosexuals, the banishment of African Americans, and for every woman to be a fawning doormat to him. And he uses a bunch of TV shows intended for young children to facilitate this (imagine the surprise of an 11 year old girl browsing for Sailor Moon stories and happening upon this... abomination). Yeah... this stuff is definitely a shoe-in for the Legendary Badfic list. -
Yeeees, it does look quite horrific... by
on 2008-08-21 21:47:00 UTC
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...although I don't know any of the continuua he's mucked with.
But remember, as IndeMaat tactfully pointed out, you gotta have Permission before you can write a PPC mission. Just a friendly reminder. -
That's horrible. by
on 2008-08-21 19:05:00 UTC
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Yeah, from your description it sounds Legendary Badfic material. That's just...ugh. I hate it when people are so narrow-minded.
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*Looks at his faces imprint in the desk* Yeah, no comment... (nm by
on 2008-08-21 17:24:00 UTC
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